Chalk & Talk
Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk and Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents and students.
Episodes

Friday Sep 08, 2023
Ep 16. Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willingham
Friday Sep 08, 2023
Friday Sep 08, 2023
In Episode 16, Anna Stokke talks to cognitive psychologist and bestselling author Dr. Daniel Willingham. Dan shares some of the strategies in his latest book, "Outsmart Your Brain: Why Learning Is Hard and How You Can Make It Easy."
They begin by addressing the learning styles myth. They discuss what constitutes retrieval practice in a math context and why retrieval practice is more effective than simply reading. They talk about how to help students recognize and solve variations in math problems, how to get students to use notes effectively, and distractions that hinder learning, such as cell phones and multitasking. He also offers some advice for when students face setbacks. Some of the discussion is geared towards high school or post-secondary students and their instructors, but the conversation will be useful and interesting for anyone who teaches or is interested in human learning.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-16-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-16-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear - Kitten
Blue Dot Sessions – Tarte Tatin, Coulis Coulis, Balti, Are We Loose Yet, Gaena
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke
Threads: @rastokke37

Friday Aug 25, 2023
Ep 15. Modern relevance in the math curriculum with Brian Conrad
Friday Aug 25, 2023
Friday Aug 25, 2023
Join Anna Stokke in discussion with Dr. Brian Conrad, who is a math professor and director of undergraduate studies in math at Stanford. They discuss some modern-day applications of math, and he gives some advice for parents who wonder what type of math their kids should learn to be ready for a four-year college degree in STEM or other quantitative fields.
Listeners will receive an update on what happened with the California Math Framework since the two episodes featuring Jelani Nelson (Episodes 11 & 12). As well, Brian Conrad shares examples of the many false or misleading citations he found permeating a 1000-page draft copy of the CMF. The discussion of those findings illustrates how citation misrepresentation can lead to misunderstandings about math and data science among the general public.
This episode is a must-listen for parents, teachers, policy makers and anyone with an interest in math or education.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-15-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-15-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Tarte Tatin, Callison, Ivory Pillow, Coulis Coulis, Cases to Rest, Delmendra, Delicates
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke
Threads: @rastokke37

Friday Aug 11, 2023
Ep 14. Stress and learning with Dan Rosen
Friday Aug 11, 2023
Friday Aug 11, 2023
Join Anna Stokke in discussion with Dr. Dan Rosen, who is a teacher and school leader. They explore the impact of stress on learning. They talk about the biology of stress, the difference between anxiety and stress, and common factors that trigger stress for students in the classroom.
They also discuss misconceptions about stress. For example, stress may actually enhance learning at certain stages of the learning process. They discuss the claim that timed tests cause math anxiety and talk about practical strategies for minimizing the impact of stress in high-stakes assessments, like exams. This episode will benefit educators of all levels, from K-12 to post-secondary, regardless of the subject they teach, be it math or another field. Parents will also find it useful.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-14-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-14-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Blue Dot Sessions – Thannoid, Little Poder, Cases to Rest, Coulis Coulis
29811401 – Mysterious Illusion
OYStudio – Light Comedy
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke
Threads: @rastokke37

Friday Jul 28, 2023
Ep 13. Powerful teaching with Patrice Bain
Friday Jul 28, 2023
Friday Jul 28, 2023
In Episode 13, Anna Stokke discusses teaching with Patrice Bain, who is a co-author of the book Powerful Teaching: Unleash the Science of Learning. Patrice was one of the first K-12 teachers to partner with cognitive scientists so that research could be conducted in a classroom setting. This episode is all about using research-based power tools to transform teaching. They discuss retrieval practice, spacing, interleaving and metacognition. Along the way, they give practical teaching tips, with a special focus on math. The strategies discussed apply to teaching any field and to both K-12 and post-secondary. In addition to a familiarity with research-based teaching strategies, Patrice brings a wealth of practical teaching experience to the conversation. This episode is a must listen for anyone who is interested in evidence-informed teaching!
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-13-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-13-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Proliferate, Kitten
Blue Dot Sessions – Partly Sage, Cases to Rest, No Squirrel Commotion
Purple Planet – Bright Ideas
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Sunday Jul 09, 2023
Ep 12. California’s math controversy with Jelani Nelson Part II
Sunday Jul 09, 2023
Sunday Jul 09, 2023
This is the second episode of a two-part series featuring Dr. Jelani Nelson. He is a professor in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at UC Berkeley. Dr. Nelson, and other STEM leaders, have publicly raised concerns about the proposed California Math Framework (CMF).
In this episode, Anna Stokke and Jelani Nelson discuss whether students should have the option of accelerating in math in middle school. First, Jelani describes how he founded the non-profit AddisCoder. Jelani shares his thoughts on acceleration and discusses the impact of acceleration reforms in San Francisco. They also discuss the makeup of the CMF writing team, citation misrepresentation in the CMF, among other topics.
For better or worse, California tends to lead the way when it comes to changes in education, so this episode is an important listen!
The next episode of Chalk & Talk will be published on July 28.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-12-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-11-12-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Sunset Strolle, Kitten, Lake Victoria, Coulis Coulis
Blue Dot Sessions – Tall Harvey
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Saturday Jul 08, 2023
Ep 11. California’s math controversy with Jelani Nelson Part I
Saturday Jul 08, 2023
Saturday Jul 08, 2023
This is the first episode of a two-part series featuring Dr. Jelani Nelson. He is a professor in the Department of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science at UC Berkeley. Dr. Nelson, and other STEM leaders, have publicly raised concerns about the proposed California Math Framework (CMF). In this episode, much of the discussion surrounds the CMF’s promotion of data science and changes to math requirements in the University of California system.
Anna Stokke and Jelani Nelson discuss what sort of math is needed for a data science degree and the crucial role of Algebra II in preparing students for careers in STEM. Jelani explains the circumstances surrounding the emergence of two high school data science courses that have been marketed as substitutes for Algebra II, despite containing minimal math content. He also addresses the claim that the CMF is equity-based. They wrap up the episode by discussing what happened when he retweeted a post about a prominent math educator charging a school district $5000 an hour in consulting fees.
For better or worse, California tends to lead the way when it comes to changes in education, so this episode is an important listen!
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-11-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-11-12-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media - Catch it
Purple Planet Music - Bright ideas
MusicTown - Inquisitive Orchestra
Yevhen Onoychenko - Comedy Detective
Blue Dot Sessions - Cases to Rest
Podington Bear - Coulis Coulis, Squirrel Commotion
OYStudio - Light Comedy
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Ep 10. Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Thursday Jun 29, 2023
Join math professor, Anna Stokke, as she chats with Dr. Zach Groshell. He is an instructional coach and a passionate advocate for evidence-informed teaching. They discuss whether it’s possible to expand working memory, the characteristics of a successful explicit instruction lesson, effective approaches for delivering feedback and more. They also tackle a question sent in by a listener who asked whether teaching math through open-ended problems is effective. This episode will resonate with teachers, parents and anyone interested in education.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-10-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-10-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Kitten, Camp
Blue Dot Sessions – Tall Harvey, Thannoid, Squirrel Connection
OYStudio – Light Comedy
Lexin Music – Upbeat Documentary
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Thursday Jun 15, 2023
Ep 9. The tweet that roared with Tom Bennett
Thursday Jun 15, 2023
Thursday Jun 15, 2023
Join math professor, Anna Stokke, in conversation with Tom Bennett. He is a teacher, author and founder of the grass roots, non-profit organization ResearchED. Tom has a captivating sense of humour, making this a great listen. They discuss many things in this episode, such as education research, group work, cell phones in schools and evidence-informed teaching. But the conversation begins with the story of ResearchED, which has started an evidence revolution in education. It all started with one tweet – as Tom Bennett calls it “The Tweet that Roared.” Anyone interested in education will enjoy this episode!
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-9-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-9-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Sunset Stroll, Camp, Proliferate
Blue Dot Sessions – Cases to Rest, Partly Sage
OYStudio – Light Comedy
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Thursday Jun 01, 2023
Ep 8. Lessons from around the world with Lucy Crehan
Thursday Jun 01, 2023
Thursday Jun 01, 2023
In this episode math professor, Anna Stokke, interviews Lucy Crehan, who is a teacher and an author. In her book, Cleverlands, she presents her first-hand observations of the education systems in different countries.
They discuss teacher qualifications in Finland and Singapore, teacher professional development in Japan and math lessons in Shanghai. They cover some commonalities in high-performing countries, such as the use of high-quality textbooks, and the role of practice and memorization in East Asian countries. The conversation then shifts to cultural differences, some of which may impact educational outcomes. If you are curious about education systems in different parts of the world, you won’t want to miss this episode!
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-8-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-8-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Lakeside Path
Blue Dot Sessions – Tall Harvey, Hundred Mile
Lexin Music - Upbeat Documentary
OYStudio – Light Comedy
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke

Thursday May 18, 2023
Ep 7. How to excel in math and other tough subjects with Barbara Oakley
Thursday May 18, 2023
Thursday May 18, 2023
Join Anna Stokke as she interviews Dr. Barbara Oakley, an engineering professor whose work focusses on the relationship between neuroscience and social behaviour. She is an expert on learning tough subjects and has written several books for teachers and students that detail science-based techniques for learning.
They cover learning techniques such as chunking and deliberate practice. They explore why being a slower learner may not necessarily be a drawback and consider whether it’s possible to catch up on math skills later in life. Dr. Oakley shares some effective study techniques and offers strategies for overcoming procrastination.
Post-secondary educators and teachers will not want to miss this episode. The learning tips discussed will also be invaluable for students, parents and anyone who wants to become better at learning math.
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-7-transcript
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/ep-7-resources
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
Podington Bear – Lakeside Path, Kitten, Camp
Blue Dot Sessions – Cases to Rest, Thannoid
OYStudio – Light Comedy
SoulProdMusic – Upbeat and Happy Music
Website: www.annastokke.com
Twitter: @rastokke