Chalk & Talk
Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators and researchers about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk & Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents, and students.
Everyone wants to see children and young adults succeed in math, but it can be difficult to sort myths from facts in education. Join math professor, Anna Stokke, for conversations with leading educators and researchers about the importance of math, effective teaching methods, and debunking common myths about math and teaching. Chalk & Talk is a podcast for anyone interested in education, including educators, parents, and students.
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38 minutes ago
38 minutes ago
In this episode, Anna is joined by Tom Sherrington, education consultant, author of Rosenshine’s Principles in Action, co-author of the Teaching Walkthrough series, and a former teacher and school leader with over 30 years of experience. Tom shares how Rosenshine’s Principles of Instruction became a foundational framework for his own practice and why they remain one of the most useful entry points into evidence-based teaching.
They explore where the principles came from, why they matter, and what they actually look like in real classrooms, with a focus on sequencing and modelling, effective questioning, review, and structured practice. This practical, research-informed conversation offers clear, concrete guidance for educators at all levels who want to align their teaching with how learning works.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
SHORT COURSE
La Trobe Short Course: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching – An Introduction https://shortcourses.latrobe.edu.au/evidence-informed-mathematics-teaching
PRINCIPLES OF INSTRUCTION RESOURCE
Principles of Instruction: Research-based Strategies That All Teachers Should Know by Barak Rosenshine: https://www.aft.org/sites/default/files/Rosenshine.pdf
TOM SHERRINGTON WEBSITE https://teacherhead.com/
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction and listing the 10 principles[00:04:19] Who was Barak Rosenshine?[00:04:45] From 17 evidence-based instructional procedures to 10 principles[00:08:18] What research backs Rosenshine’s principles?[00:14:54] UK teachers’ familiarity with Rosehnshine’s principles[00:14:08] Pace of adopting Rosenshine’s principles in other countries[00:18:07] The more practice the better: Rosenshine’s on practice[00:23:06] What does aiming for an 80% success rate mean? [00:27:09] Importance of checking for understanding[00:28:39] Checking for understanding and good questioning[00:32:55] Understanding the forms of guided practice[00:34:33] Teaching between desks[00:38:54] Principle 1 & 10 – The reviewing stages[00:43:51] When to review before teaching your lesson[00:45:11] Presenting new materials and small practice steps [00:49:47] Principle 4 – Providing models[00:51:34] Principle 8 – Provide scaffolds for difficult tasks [00:54:59] Do these principles apply to any subject?[00:57:40] Can we get 80% success in classrooms with a wide range of learning levels?
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archerhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-93dcw-19a3530
Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hillhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17Reclaiming leaning time to boost literacy and numeracy with Ross Foxhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpy4n-188c9c5
Exploring evidence for equitable education with Nidhi Sacheva and Jim Hewitt
https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-fjdnt-1685615
Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschner https://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33df
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-64-transcript
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Friday Jan 23, 2026
Teaching math so students learn with Craig Barton (Ep 63)
Friday Jan 23, 2026
Friday Jan 23, 2026
In this episode, Anna is joined by Craig Barton, former secondary maths teacher, host of the Mr. Barton Maths Podcast, author of How I Wish I’d Taught Maths, and a new Tips for Teachers book series. Craig reflects on how his teaching evolved after engaging deeply with learning science and educational research.
Together, they explore what effective explicit instruction looks like in math from atomisation and worked examples to checking for understanding, purposeful practice, and problem solving across the I do, we do, you do phases. This practical, research-informed episode is essential for educators looking to improve math outcomes by aligning instruction with how learning works.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
SHORT COURSE
La Trobe Short Course: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching – An Introduction https://shortcourses.latrobe.edu.au/evidence-informed-mathematics-teaching
CRAIG BARTON'S BOOKS & WEBSITE
Order How I Wish I’d Taught Maths here: https://shorturl.at/rGTin
Craig Barton’s Tips for Teachers books & websites: https://mrbartonmaths.com/
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:05:09] What changed Craig’s mind about how to teach math[00:09:07] When struggle isn’t productive[00:12:29] Essential components of a well-structured, explicit instruction lesson[00:14:54] An introduction to atomisation[00:16:16] Purposeful practice[00:21:08] More on atomisation[00:23:58] Examples of atomisation[00:27:03] Summary of atomisation[00:27:49] How to deal with wide skill ranges in the math classroom[00:31:36] Engelman & Carnine’s Theory of Instruction[00:32:30] Tips for the ‘I do’ stage[00:38:24] Importance of checking for listening[00:44:17] Tips for the ‘We do’ stage[00:45:51] A ‘we do’ fraction example [00:49:23] Atomisation helps with struggle[00:52:24] Tips for the ‘You do’ stage [00:54:13] How to use purposeful practice[00:55:24] How to set students up to solve non-routine problems[01:03:56] How to effectively teach problem solving[01:09:05] The importance of structure[01:09:53] Can explicit instruction in math be interactive?[01:12:01] Where to find Craig[01:13:08] Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Cognitive load theory with Greg Ashmanhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-thbad-13cea56
Raising student achievement with Dylan Wiliamhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-kduiw-15bba36
Project Follow Through: Direct Instruction’s overlooked success with Marcy Steinhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-a9fqx-17a2ffb
Using the Instructional Hierarchy to teach math with Brendan Leehttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-3zux7-193d0fc
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-63-transcript
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Friday Jan 09, 2026
Why more classroom technology is making students learn less (Ep 62)
Friday Jan 09, 2026
Friday Jan 09, 2026
In this episode, Anna is joined by Dr. Jared Cooney Horvath, a cognitive neuroscientist, educator, and bestselling author of The Digital Delusion. They examine what decades of research and international data reveal about classroom technology, screens, multitasking, attention, and memory, and why more technology often leads to less learning.
Jared explains how offloading knowledge to devices can undermine higher-order thinking, why human teachers’ expertise, and practice, remain central to learning, and when technology may help or hinder students. The conversation also tackles how schools and families can navigate an increasingly tech-saturated education system.
This is a thoughtful, evidence-informed episode for educators, parents, and anyone questioning whether digital tools in the classroom are helping students learn or holding them back.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Order The Digital Delusion here: https://www.lmeglobal.net/digital-delusion
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:04:50] Cognitive decline among Gen Z[00:09:14] The decline international test scores and the correlation with technology[00:11:28] Screen usage in schools[00:13:03] Relationship between EdTech and countries that invest less in it[00:16:16] Effect size in education in the context of EdTech[00:20:49] What forms of EdTech work? [00:25:17] When EdTech is a better than nothing[00:32:57] Practise and producers are essential to learning[00:33:30] What is creativity?[00:34:20] Why offloading learning to technology harms creativity[00:38:50] AI: The Tool Nobody Asked For[00:44:17] Difference between K-12 and university students using EdTech[00:47:14] EdTech creates multi-tasking[00:54:27] Advice: Responding to “digital devices are ubiquitous”[00:55:50] Advice: Responding to “these students learn differently” [01:00:32] General advice for parents and school leaders[01:03:46] Laptops vs iPads vs notetaking by hand[01:06:48] Being a Luddite in the 21st century
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES Educational leadership: Improving math and literacy with Scott Hillhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-vpzf8-16d0c17
Mindsets and educational misconceptions with Carl Hendrickhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-78zv9-15493b1
Applying cognitive science to education with Daniel Willinghamhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-szugf-149dff1
The tweet that roared with Tom Bennetthttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-bpgqn-14326ef
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-62-transcript
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Friday Dec 19, 2025
Friday Dec 19, 2025
In this episode, Anna is joined by two familiar guests, mathematician and founder of JUMP Math, Dr. John Mighton, and learning expert and bestselling author Dr. Barbara Oakley. They discuss their new Coursera course, Making Math Click: Understanding Math Without Fear, what learning science reveals about how students learn math, and why practice and worked examples play such a critical role in building math confidence.
They discuss schemas, give some cautionary advice about using manipulatives and concrete-pictorial-abstract approaches, and explain why moving quickly from concrete to abstract matters. They describe what’s at stake when math education fails, what’s lost when students don’t develop foundational skills, and what it will take to help more learners succeed in math.
This is a practical, engaging, and insightful episode for teachers, parents, university students, and anyone who has ever felt they weren’t a math person.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Making Math Click: Understand Math Without Fear: Free course with certificate: https://www.coursera.org/learn/math-click?action=showPartnerSupportedAccess
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:05:40] How Barbara’s background shaped her approach to math[00:07:00] John’s experience with math from a young age[00:09:21] John and Barbara’s Coursera course[00:11:07] Who is their course for?[00:15:45] Is the course beneficial for teachers?[00:21:54] What math and Sylvia Plath’s writing have in common [00:23:51] Building schemas in math[00:26:46] Getting good at math leads to liking math[00:31:08] Kaminsky’s research on manipulatives vs. abstract representations[00:33:39] Fading from concrete to abstract[00:40:30] Barbara’s article in the Seattle Times[00:42:30] Real world consequences of innumeracy[00:49:13] Learning math takes practice and patience[00:51:38] Societal loss from kids not learning math[00:57:13] Failed constructivist approaches [01:00:50] Barbara’s and John’s recommendations for system improvements[01:05:42] Final thoughts
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
How to excel in math and other tough subject with Barabara Oakley
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-7-best-ways-to-learn-math-with-barbara-oakley/ Math and the Myth of Ability with John Mighton
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-1-math-and-the-myth-of-ability-with-john-mighton/
Balanced literacy didn’t work–will balanced math? with Ben Solomonhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-usvqw-1962107
Math fact crisis: strategies for improving numeracy with Brian Poncyhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-u9y84-165d773
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-61-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-61-transcript
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Friday Dec 05, 2025
Friday Dec 05, 2025
In this episode, Anna talks with Dr. Jonas Linderoth, a professor of education at the University of Gothenburg, about how influential educational ideas have shaped the teaching profession and why evidence from cognitive science and educational psychology still faces resistance in teacher education. They discuss how education reforms of the 1990s affected teacher status and student outcomes, and Jonas’ reflections on his own role during that period.
They also discuss why evidence-based pedagogy is so crucial and what it means when teachers encounter research-informed strategies and respond with a single word – “finally”. They also explore Sweden’s recent proposal to embed cognitive science in teacher preparation, why it’s controversial, and how implementation is unfolding.
This is an insightful episode for anyone interested in how research, policy, and classroom practice come together.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:04:50] The Swedish school reforms [00:08:57] The prevalence of constructivist teaching[00:12:26] Realizing the evidence didn’t match the rhetoric[00:13:36] How Jonas’s call for reflection became the most read article in Sweden[00:17:13] Perceptions of the teaching profession in Sweden[00:20:01] A systematic approach to teaching art[00:22:40] PISA & TIMS scores in Sweden[00:24:34] Why education academics research the Science of Learning[00:26:35] The value of quantitative research[00:29:23] Sweden’s move to embed cognitive science in teacher preparation[00:32:37] Reaction to the government proposal to transform teacher preparation[00:34:34] How evidence-based practice caught the government’s attention[00:36:52] Jonas’s work with pre-service teachers[00:37:28] When teachers say “finally” about evidence-based techniques[00:42:37] Core content for preparing future teachers[00:44:41] Grass-roots science of learning movements [00:46:02] The future of education in Sweden[00:49:24] Final thoughts: Jonas’s advice for international audiences
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/the-power-of-explicit-instruction-with-anita-archer-ep-57/
Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-10-maximizing-learning-through-explicit-instruction-with-zach-groshell/
Evidence-based teaching strategies with Paul Kirschnerhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zgw6i-13b33dfCognitive Load Theory with Greg Ashmanhttps://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-4-cognitive-load-theory-with-greg-ashman/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-60-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-60-transcript
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Friday Nov 21, 2025
Friday Nov 21, 2025
In this episode, Anna talks with Dr. George Georgiou, an educational psychologist and professor in the Faculty of Education at the University of Alberta, whose work focuses on preventing and remediating reading difficulties. The episode explores recent Human Rights Commission investigations in Canadian provinces that examined why students haven’t been taught to read using effective, evidence-based, methods–what the inquiries uncovered, and how the situation deteriorated to this point.
They also discuss George’s research on reading difficulties and his eye-opening study that revealed the gaps in pre-service teachers’ knowledge of language and literacy. They talk about recent reforms in Alberta, including the rollout of universal literacy screening–what the results have shown so far, and how parents and schools are responding. This conversation really highlights what’s possible when research, policy, and practice come together. As always, Anna advocates that math deserves the same attention as reading. It’s a must-listen for educators and policymakers worldwide.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Supporting the Right to Read in Manitoba (Manitoba Human Rights Commission, 2025) https://www.manitobahumanrights.ca/education/pdf/public-consultations/supportingrighttoread.pdf
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:01:09] Findings from the Manitoba Human Rights Commission [00:06:02] George Georgiou’s research background[00:08:02] The Right to Read Human Rights Reports in Canada[00:12:11] Thoughts on the Right to Read reports[00:16:26] Similarities with math[00:17:07] Good curriculum that focuses on foundational skills [00:19:31] The study: Pre-service Teachers' Knowledge of Language and Literacy Concepts[00:27:39] Results of the Human Rights Report in post-secondary education[00:29:46] Reaction to the study: Pre-service Teachers' Knowledge of Language and Literacy Concepts[00:30:39] The Alberta English Language Arts curriculum[00:32:56] Is the new curriculum working? [00:37:31] What is universal screening? [00:44:50] What are the free assessments?[00:48:46] Findings of the assessments[00:53:38] Communicating the results to parents[00:54:34] Criticism on the screening process and results [01:00:40] Reading intervention programs[01:05:33] Final Thoughts: The future of early screening and intervention in Canada [01:09:02] Final Thoughts: What role should universities play in preparing teachers?
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES How advocacy is changing reading instruction with Jamie Metsalahttps://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/how-advocacy-is-changing-reading-instruction-with-jamie-metsala/
Using evidence in education with Pamela Snowhttps://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/using-evidence-in-education-with-pamela-snow-ep-27/
Reading and math: parallels and pitfalls with Matthew Burns
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-20-reading-and-math-parallels-and-pitfalls-with-matthew-burns/
Universal screening in math with Amanda VanDerHeydenhttps://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/universal-screening-in-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden-ep-50/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-59-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-59-transcript
MUSIC
Intro & Outro: Funk Jazz Big Band - ColorFilmMusic
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Friday Nov 07, 2025
Friday Nov 07, 2025
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes Dr. Nuno Crato, research professor of mathematics and statistics at the University of Lisbon. He was Portugal’s former Minister of Education and led major education reforms from 2011 to 2015. His education reforms contributed to Portugal’s strongest-ever results on international assessments like PISA and TIMSS. Nuno shares his belief that everything starts with the curriculum and stresses the importance of clear standards, accountability, and student support. He also explains how Portugal raised academic rigor while helping struggling learners. They also discuss what Nuno’s research on PISA and TIMSS reveal about the characteristics of effective education systems and the lessons policymakers can draw from Portugal’s success. This episode is a must-listen for educators, policymakers, and anyone with an interest in improving education.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
Nuno Crato’s website: https://www.nunocrato.org
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:05:12] Becoming Portugal’s Minister of Education [00:08:51] Adjusting to the position of Minister of Education[00:13:07] The landscape of the Portuguese Education System, early 2000s[00:19:08] The importance of a good curriculum[00:23:07] Using TIMSS data to structure a knowledge-based curriculum[00:26:22] Using testing to ensure curriculum goals are met[00:29:11] Concerns about project-based learning[00:34:18] Standard assessments and evaluations[00:39:31] Accountability markers and incentives for standard assessments[00:43:08] Addressing testing and accountability criticisms [00:44:59] Becoming informed about evidence-based pedagogy [00:48:23] What PISA data reveals about effective types of instruction[00:51:04] Does more money spent on education translate to better outcomes?[00:52:15] What changes are more likely to lead to better outcomes?[00:54:58] Results of PISA and TIMSS in 2015 Portugal[00:59:53] Pushback to education reforms and where it came from[01:04:54] Advice to policymakers
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
From decline to top rankings: How England transformed education with Nick Gibbhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-zps9p-18c1e97
The importance of practice and the power of Math Corps with Alex Kontorovichhttps://www.podbean.com/ew/pb-d8bef-1916f6d
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-58-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-58-transcript
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Thursday Oct 30, 2025
Top takeaways from Anita Archer on explicit instruction (abridged version of Ep 57)
Thursday Oct 30, 2025
Thursday Oct 30, 2025
This episode features top takeaways from Anna Stokke’s interview: The Power of Explicit Instruction with Dr. Anita Archer. If you haven’t heard the full conversation yet, you can find the entire episode on the Chalk & Talk YouTube channel: https://youtu.be/EE5wvi-xQTM?si=Wx8W4eb5YOqdWEvM
Anita is one of the world’s leading experts on explicit instruction and co-author of the bestselling book Explicit Instruction: Effective and Efficient Teaching.
Resource page: https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-57-resources
Saturday Oct 25, 2025
The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer (Ep 57)
Saturday Oct 25, 2025
Saturday Oct 25, 2025
Episode 57: The power of explicit instruction with Anita Archer
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes Dr. Anita Archer, one of the world’s leading experts on explicit instruction and co-author of the bestselling book Explicit Instruction: Effective and Efficient Teaching. They discuss what explicit instruction is, why it’s both effective and efficient, and what the research says about its impact. Together, they discuss who benefits from explicit instruction, common mistakes teachers make, and practical strategies such as the “I do, we do, you do” model. Dr. Archer also shares insights from her 50-year career in education and offers advice for teachers looking to strengthen their instructional practices and help all students succeed.
This episode is also available in video at www.youtube.com/@chalktalk-stokke
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introduction[00:05:26] Anita’s background in explicit instruction[00:07:30] The three big C’s (clear, concise, and consistent)[00:10:25] What is explicit Instruction?[00:13:30] Problems with multiple strategies[00:15:50] Explicit instruction is effective and efficient[00:20:58] Research on explicit instruction[00:27:11] Who does explicit instruction benefit?[00:30:56] When to begin using explicit instruction[00:38:24] Lack of awareness about effectiveness of explicit instruction[00:42:32] Teaching well from the start reduces tier 2 intervention[00:45:55] identifying the different stages/phases: I do, we do, you do[00:44:48] Phase 1: I do[00:47:43] Phase 2: We do[00:49:47] Phase 3: You do[00:53:29] Importance of giving students opportunities to respond[00:58:57] What are unison choral responses?[01:03:17] The importance of structured turn and talks[01:08:31] Resource recommendations and Archerisms
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
The Science of Math with Amanda VanDerHeyden
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-3-the-science-of-math-with-amanda-vanderheyden/
Maximizing learning through explicit instruction with Zach Groshell
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-10-maximizing-learning-through-explicit-instruction-with-zach-groshell/
Balanced literacy didn’t work—will balanced math? with Ben Solomon
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/balanced-literacy-didn-t-work%e2%80%94will-balanced-math-with-ben-solomon-ep-54/
EPISODE RESOURCES
https://www.annastokke.com/resources/ep-57-resources
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-57-transcript
MUSIC
Intro and Outro: Coma Media – Catch it
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Friday Oct 10, 2025
Friday Oct 10, 2025
In this episode, Anna Stokke welcomes three leading experts in education, Dr. Paul Kirschner, Dr. Carl Hendrick, and Dr. Jim Heal for a fascinating discussion about their new book, Instructional Illusions. Drawing on decades of experience and research, they explore key ideas from the book, including how to bridge the gap between educational research and classroom practice. Together, they discuss the science of learning, evidence-informed teaching, and how educators can apply research insights to improve instruction. This engaging conversation is a must-listen for anyone passionate about effective teaching and student learning.
Register for the Masterclass: Evidence-informed Mathematics Teaching, La Trobe School of Education
Read the book, Instructional Illusions, here: https://tinyurl.com/instructional-illusions
TIMESTAMPS
[00:00:22] Introductions
[00:05:15] What are Instructional Illusions?
[00:07:30] The difference between illusions and myths
[00:11:13] The discovery illusion
[00:12:50] Why do people believe in discovery learning?
[00:19:50] The curse of knowledge
[00:24:29] The innovation illusion
[00:30:01] Unmasking the innovation illusion
[00:32:59] The expertise Illusion
[00:38:04] The Dunning-Kruger effect
[00:43:48] Unmasking the expertise illusion
[00:47:50] The uniqueness illusion
[00:50:52] The engagement illusion
[00:57:10] Shifting the focus to cognitive engagement
[01:01:28] The student-centred illusion
[01:05:00] Unmasking the student-centred illusion
[01:06:23] Is the science of learning a fad?
RELEVANT PREVIOUS EPISODES
Evidence Based Teaching Strategies with Paul Kirschnerhttps://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep2-evidence-based-teaching-strategies-with-paul-kirschner/
Mindsets and Misconceptions with Carl Hendrick
https://chalkandtalkpodcast.podbean.com/e/ep-22-mindsets-and-misconceptions-with-carl-hendrick/
EPISODE RESOURCES
Why Minimal Guidance During Instruction Does Not Work: An Analysis of the Failure of Constructivist, Discovery, Problem-Based, Experiential, and Inquiry-Based Teaching: https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1207/s15326985ep4102_1
EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
https://www.annastokke.com/transcripts/ep-56-transcript
MUSIC
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